Comments on: The Crash: The Big Picture http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/ Hope and Options for the World Post-Collapse Tue, 22 Dec 2009 04:18:44 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: paul UK http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-9995 paul UK Tue, 07 Jul 2009 10:25:30 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-9995 Hi sarah and all, Yes, the earth is alive but it is in trouble. The earth, like every individual person, animal, plant, rock and anything in between is a self soveriegn conscious being, imbued with natural free will, feelings and aliveness. Until we stop seeing humans as unique in this respect and see a fundamental equality and respect for all expressions of fundamental aliveness, mutually respecting evolution and free will life expression, then we will see reflected back at us the reflection of who we create ourselves to be. Its as simple as that really. Some people don't want to evolve. Leave them be. Tend your own garden and share freely with all who want to evolve. You can't force people to change, but slowly and surely i think most people will want. It just takes time. treat all with love and respect, reagrdless of their choices (whilst protecting yourself from harm). Show by example. Check out www.azuritepress.com for some fantastic insights, philosophy, and food for thought on spiritual perspectives on these topics. Sincerely paul uk. gaiastellar@yahoo.com Hi sarah and all,

Yes, the earth is alive but it is in trouble. The earth, like every individual person, animal, plant, rock and anything in between is a self soveriegn conscious being, imbued with natural free will, feelings and aliveness. Until we stop seeing humans as unique in this respect and see a fundamental equality and respect for all expressions of fundamental aliveness, mutually respecting evolution and free will life expression, then we will see reflected back at us the reflection of who we create ourselves to be. Its as simple as that really.

Some people don’t want to evolve. Leave them be. Tend your own garden and share freely with all who want to evolve. You can’t force people to change, but slowly and surely i think most people will want. It just takes time. treat all with love and respect, reagrdless of their choices (whilst protecting yourself from harm). Show by example. Check out http://www.azuritepress.com for some fantastic insights, philosophy, and food for thought on spiritual perspectives on these topics.

Sincerely

paul uk. gaiastellar@yahoo.com

]]> By: Sarah http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-9883 Sarah Mon, 11 May 2009 17:35:38 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-9883 I have to tell you that i think that you are right yet still wrong about what is going to happen and I have had a life time to figure this stuff out and I have Ideas on how to stop it or at least slow it down. I would like to talk to you about this stuff. I am trying to come up with the best way to change the world a way to make people listen and to make them open up their eyes to the truth that is right in front of them but to easy for them to over look. I really think that we should work together if you truly believe that the end of this earth is near. I do though have to correct something that you said and that is that the earth is dead. It is not, but it will be if someone doesn't stop it. The earth is very much alive and until people start seeing it that way the earth is what is going to destroy us. A long time ago the earth froze as we all know. That was the earths way of fixing itself it is like a human immune system when there is something that is causing damage to the earth the immune system kicks in and gets rid of it. Well in real life we are the disease that is damaging the earth and it will do what it needs to in order to correct the damage that is done. The earth will heat up as it is, and fires and lack of water will kill most of us. Then, I believe it will freeze again to re-balance out the atmosphere. I believe that it is possible to help it re-balance but it will take the whole world to do it. We all have to change our lives and live a more natural way. Please contact me when you read this so we can talk about ideas. Or you can leave a message on my web page. TreeHuggerclothing.info I would really like to hear what you think will help and would like to talk about how it can be fixed. I have to tell you that i think that you are right yet still wrong about what is going to happen and I have had a life time to figure this stuff out and I have Ideas on how to stop it or at least slow it down. I would like to talk to you about this stuff. I am trying to come up with the best way to change the world a way to make people listen and to make them open up their eyes to the truth that is right in front of them but to easy for them to over look. I really think that we should work together if you truly believe that the end of this earth is near. I do though have to correct something that you said and that is that the earth is dead. It is not, but it will be if someone doesn’t stop it. The earth is very much alive and until people start seeing it that way the earth is what is going to destroy us.

A long time ago the earth froze as we all know. That was the earths way of fixing itself it is like a human immune system when there is something that is causing damage to the earth the immune system kicks in and gets rid of it. Well in real life we are the disease that is damaging the earth and it will do what it needs to in order to correct the damage that is done. The earth will heat up as it is, and fires and lack of water will kill most of us. Then, I believe it will freeze again to re-balance out the atmosphere.

I believe that it is possible to help it re-balance but it will take the whole world to do it. We all have to change our lives and live a more natural way. Please contact me when you read this so we can talk about ideas. Or you can leave a message on my web page. TreeHuggerclothing.info I would really like to hear what you think will help and would like to talk about how it can be fixed.

]]> By: Lindsay http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-1859 Lindsay Mon, 14 May 2007 19:17:02 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-1859 Glenn, I know this discussion is long over, but I'm unsure how to contact you and you seem the best person to answer my question. My friends and I are wondering what we should be doing with our money now - should we pull our retirement savings and our children's education savings? Max out our credit cards? Use the money to buy supplies for the crash? What about our mortgage? If the crash is large scale we will be on a ranch, leave our house behind... but if it is a "slow bleed" we might stay here for a while... Should we be paying onto the mortgage or just going about that as usual? So many questions... Glenn, I know this discussion is long over, but I’m unsure how to contact you and you seem the best person to answer my question. My friends and I are wondering what we should be doing with our money now – should we pull our retirement savings and our children’s education savings? Max out our credit cards? Use the money to buy supplies for the crash? What about our mortgage? If the crash is large scale we will be on a ranch, leave our house behind… but if it is a “slow bleed” we might stay here for a while… Should we be paying onto the mortgage or just going about that as usual? So many questions…

]]> By: Aftermath http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-243 Aftermath Wed, 23 Aug 2006 19:32:08 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-243 Although, the fact most of the food Americans eat travels farther from farm to dinner plate than the American does throughout their entire life might also have an impact. Yes, we have a lot of food. We should, the US is seven of the top twenty importers of commodities. The US is also a major producer of food. This is true, but misleading. The United States taken as a whole produces a lot of food. Most the population lives nowhere remotely close to where the food is being produced. -Benjamin Shender Although, the fact most of the food Americans eat travels farther from farm to dinner plate than the American does throughout their entire life might also have an impact. Yes, we have a lot of food. We should, the US is seven of the top twenty importers of commodities.

The US is also a major producer of food. This is true, but misleading. The United States taken as a whole produces a lot of food. Most the population lives nowhere remotely close to where the food is being produced.

-Benjamin Shender

]]> By: Glenn http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-242 Glenn Wed, 23 Aug 2006 13:22:03 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-242 Russian has a point, as does Miranda. I was just thinking about the impact of famine on the US and realized that people here could eat half to a quarter of what they eat now and still survive just fine, better in some cases. That said, Miranda makes the good point that if people in the US can only eat half or less food then much of the rest of the world will be in very sore straights and many might try to get where there is food, or demand\request aid which many not be possible. If you refuse to help starving people, especially if they have been friends for a long time (England comes to mind) they tend to get grumpy. Old alliances break down, new ones form in other word political termoil and war in places. More important thought, again, is the inpact of famine on the economy. If food and water are half or less availible then they are going to be twice or more as expensive, and harder to aquire. Already, many of the former middle class are finding that they don't earn enough at work to pay for going to work. The oil situation is not going to get better soon, possibly ever, and so figure what happens when people who must already choose between buying gas to get to work, health care, food, or the mortgage on their home suddenly have to pay twice to ten times or more what they used to have to pay just to eat and drink. Think what that does to resturants and all the people who work there, not to mention the lifestyle that depends on eating out. I suppose if you think an economic meltdown with half or more of the people out of work and a third or more homeless is doing ok, then yeah we should be fine. Only one problem the cascading falure of the economy that puts that many people out of work also causes the infrastructure that grows, harvests, transports, processes, sells, and prepares food to more or less go "FOOP!", and drives prices even higher and make avalibility spotty. So yes, we can make do with less, and no our economy can not make do with less. As a result, if we must do with less (which we will) then many, many people will have to do with nothing and that is one very big effect. Glenn Russian has a point, as does Miranda. I was just thinking about the impact of famine on the US and realized that people here could eat half to a quarter of what they eat now and still survive just fine, better in some cases.

That said, Miranda makes the good point that if people in the US can only eat half or less food then much of the rest of the world will be in very sore straights and many might try to get where there is food, or demand\request aid which many not be possible. If you refuse to help starving people, especially if they have been friends for a long time (England comes to mind) they tend to get grumpy. Old alliances break down, new ones form in other word political termoil and war in places.

More important thought, again, is the inpact of famine on the economy. If food and water are half or less availible then they are going to be twice or more as expensive, and harder to aquire. Already, many of the former middle class are finding that they don’t earn enough at work to pay for going to work. The oil situation is not going to get better soon, possibly ever, and so figure what happens when people who must already choose between buying gas to get to work, health care, food, or the mortgage on their home suddenly have to pay twice to ten times or more what they used to have to pay just to eat and drink. Think what that does to resturants and all the people who work there, not to mention the lifestyle that depends on eating out.

I suppose if you think an economic meltdown with half or more of the people out of work and a third or more homeless is doing ok, then yeah we should be fine.

Only one problem the cascading falure of the economy that puts that many people out of work also causes the infrastructure that grows, harvests, transports, processes, sells, and prepares food to more or less go “FOOP!”, and drives prices even higher and make avalibility spotty.

So yes, we can make do with less, and no our economy can not make do with less. As a result, if we must do with less (which we will) then many, many people will have to do with nothing and that is one very big effect.

Glenn

]]> By: Aftermath http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-237 Aftermath Tue, 22 Aug 2006 00:20:18 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-237 We like to think we are in a cocoon, safe and sound here in the U.S. We aren't. Think of refugees. Refugees will come over any way they can if there is enough of a water shortage or food shortage in the rest of the world. Our government will try to stop it, of course, to "protect" our cocoon of safety, but in the beginning they'll come over in swarms. Beyond that, peak oil is something that will affect us very hard. Americans seem to need oil for the very function of living. Suddenly not have having that resource at our disposal....well...one can imagine that outcome. Climate change is also something that everyone will feel. Of course, in the U.S. there seems to be an increased amount of droughts lately...hmm..interesting. Several states actually are having water shortage issues to the point of placing bans on when and on what water can be used for. Bottom line... No one will be unaffected. - Miranda Vivian We like to think we are in a cocoon, safe and sound here in the U.S. We aren’t. Think of refugees. Refugees will come over any way they can if there is enough of a water shortage or food shortage in the rest of the world. Our government will try to stop it, of course, to “protect” our cocoon of safety, but in the beginning they’ll come over in swarms.
Beyond that, peak oil is something that will affect us very hard. Americans seem to need oil for the very function of living. Suddenly not have having that resource at our disposal….well…one can imagine that outcome. Climate change is also something that everyone will feel. Of course, in the U.S. there seems to be an increased amount of droughts lately…hmm..interesting. Several states actually are having water shortage issues to the point of placing bans on when and on what water can be used for.
Bottom line… No one will be unaffected.

- Miranda Vivian

]]> By: Russian http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-236 Russian Mon, 21 Aug 2006 22:34:31 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-236 I hate to sound mean and selfish here, but thinking realistically, nothing serious will happen to the U.S. in terms of water or food shortage any time soon. Perhaps slightly hit will be fat people, but otherwise the U.S. should be fine...... I hate to sound mean and selfish here, but thinking realistically, nothing serious will happen to the U.S. in terms of water or food shortage any time soon. Perhaps slightly hit will be fat people, but otherwise the U.S. should be fine……

]]> By: Aftermath http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-170 Aftermath Fri, 14 Jul 2006 15:47:07 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-170 And, with the Eruo expanding to meet US levels so quickly, it would reach the same point we are at almost immediately after. Right? I suppose the US wouldn't accept splitting the difference between the Dollar and Euro, but if they did would it work? -Benjamin Shender And, with the Eruo expanding to meet US levels so quickly, it would reach the same point we are at almost immediately after. Right?

I suppose the US wouldn’t accept splitting the difference between the Dollar and Euro, but if they did would it work?

-Benjamin Shender

]]> By: Janene http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-169 Janene Fri, 14 Jul 2006 14:23:31 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-169 Hey -- Well, now you're getting into another issue... The US Dollar will continue to have some value in the US, regardless... because it is all we've got. But the 'actual' value is dependant on international markets. If the bottom drops out, international investors will stop owning USD's and foreign governments will refuse to loan us money/accept debt repayment in dollars. THEN we are in trouble. (And, of course, that's when it ceases to be worth MUCH internally... because the market becomes flooded with unwanted dollars...) Janene Hey –

Well, now you’re getting into another issue…

The US Dollar will continue to have some value in the US, regardless… because it is all we’ve got.

But the ‘actual’ value is dependant on international markets. If the bottom drops out, international investors will stop owning USD’s and foreign governments will refuse to loan us money/accept debt repayment in dollars. THEN we are in trouble. (And, of course, that’s when it ceases to be worth MUCH internally… because the market becomes flooded with unwanted dollars…)

Janene

]]> By: Aftermath http://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-168 Aftermath Thu, 13 Jul 2006 22:31:36 +0000 https://aftermathblog.wordpress.com/2006/06/10/the-crash-the-big-picture/#comment-168 Hmmm. I suppose so. Wouldn't the problem be psychological then? The money is worth something so long as the government will deliver your mail for it. Could they do it underhanded? You know, the bank invents it by pretending they have 33.3 times the amount of money they actually do? Go reserve banking! Dumbest idea I ever heard. Still going through the sites. Thanks guys for helping me understand this stuff. -Benjamin Shender Hmmm. I suppose so. Wouldn’t the problem be psychological then? The money is worth something so long as the government will deliver your mail for it. Could they do it underhanded? You know, the bank invents it by pretending they have 33.3 times the amount of money they actually do? Go reserve banking! Dumbest idea I ever heard.

Still going through the sites. Thanks guys for helping me understand this stuff.

-Benjamin Shender

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